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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

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  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  Farkel,
  Since you claim that we can interchange evil for right I will respond:

  , I could have just as easily used the terms "Good" and "Evil" as "Right" and "Wrong" or "Good" and "Bad." It wouldn't have changed the argument in the least.

  Okay I will give you the benifit of the doubt.

  If God defines "Evil," God is arbitrary.

  Prove that that God is arbitrary by defining Evil. You make this statement but furnish no proof or example to test.

  If God doesn't define "Evil" then "Evil" is a standard outside of God.

  Evil is not a standard.
  God has absolute knowlegde and he can correctly clasify something as evil with 100% accuracy.

  If the latter is true then the eating of the "Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil" was a test that God was bound to enforce and not a test he was 100% in charge of creating.

  First prove that evil is a standard.
  I don't get how how you draw this conclusion. Seems to me you draw conclusions that are your own in order to make your argument seem right.
  First show everyone that your conclusions are right.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

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  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  D wiltshire

  oscar,

  I agree not totally irrelevant, but enough to confuse the topic.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  oscar,

  What you just posted I agree for the most part. I don't care about typos as along as I can understand what you have said easily. Making yourself understood is far more important.
  And I feel this is very germain to our discussion:

  Describing RIGHT actions can help us come to a conclusion about some of the features that GOOD entails, but it can never tell us what GOOD actually IS. IT's like showing people a beautiful flower, a beautiful woman, a beautiful painting, and a beautiful scene, and telling them you have defined beauty. You haven't, you've simply shown some aspects of it.

  You've done a good job to show the problem of defining good and Evil.
  I want to stay on topic thanks.
  Part of my purpose in starting this thread was to explore my feeling that we can't really say with definity what is Evil absolutly in every case, unless we have absolute knowledge.

  Example:
  Man guns down little old lady in the mall. We could say that was evil based on our limited knowledge.
  Then more facts come to light and we find that the little old lady was part of a terrorist group and she had a atomic bomb in her suit case and the man that gunned her down was a government agent who saved every one in the mall and surrounding area.
  We can keep adding more facts to this senerio and each time change it from evil to good and back again.

  Fark,

  Go ahead and accuse me of what ever, it matters little to me. You are off topic so I see no point in deverting my attention further to your points unless they are on the topic.
  I'm not in the habit of spending lots of time defending myself, it's simply not that important to me. To explore (some)ideas and learn it's good to be as emotionally unattached as can be humanly possible.

  Danny,
  While I don't agree with every thing you posted,(which is normal), I think you feel like I do:

  Any effort to define EVIL is just an exercise, or more directly mental masturbation.
  Sources of authority are relied upon in every attempt at definition.

  Source of authority(man made authority)base their opinion on what?
  Nuremburg(?) trial of the Nazi war criminals.
  Thanks for the post.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  oscar,

  That's right the whole thread is about Evil, and who defines, it's not about right or wrong but some times rigth or wrong can be interchanged with good and Evil, just as bad can be.
  And evil is hard to define precisely. Since it carries the thoughts of bad, and wrong.

  So then Farkel was off topic according to you.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  House where Joel started his time every morn.

  by joelbear in

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  this house was about 1/2 mile from the kingdom hall.

  no one ever answered the door.

  it was a favorite place for us to start our time.. you know all of yall had one.. joel.

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  When I was younger and really beleived the JW was the only true religion, I used to knock and knock louder to make sure no one was home, I felt guilty if I didn't give it my best shot.

  As the years rolled on and 1975 came and went I slowly started to feel no need to be so direct and annoying at the doors.

  As my faith in the WT began to shrink the less I went out, and when I did I would try not to witness very much just have friendly conversations and I offered very little literature.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  Atheism's view on death

  by ashitaka in

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  well, it's winter, and it's just a bit more depressing this time of year, and i'm thinking about death.

  i wonder, what do atheists believe about death?

  do you believe in any way that a 'spirit' lives on?

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  Ash,

  I think if you don't beleive in God death is a very bleak prospect.

  If you are going to die, and eventually forgotten when all the people that ever knew you are dead,.. it's pretty depressing.

  If life has no purpose but is just a accident, then look for all the pleasure in life now but don't go overboard and ruin the future of what life you have left.

  Me I feel God exists too many wounderful things around me that make it reasonable to me for my beleif.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  HELP!!!! Got caught celebrating christmas

  by Kay Francis in

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  an interesting situation happened to me yesterday.

  i used to work for a company that employed about 30+ jw's of.

  i always kept in touch with the non-jw co-workers, and when i left, i began sending.

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  Just tell your freind to "not to beleive everything they hear" no more no less.
  That way you avoid any admission which may be passed on to the elders.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  I dont remember the date I was baptized....

  by flower in

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  you know how at every baptismal talk they say to the candidates that they should 'make a note of this date june, 4 whatever..ect'?

  and everyone knows that date for like the rest of their life?

  well i dont remember when i was baptized.

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  D wiltshire

  Flower,

  I'm happy for you I hope you find information that helps you heal.
  I wrote my Bap. date in my organization book 11/4/72.
  Wasted 29 years following men.
  Not a total waste but a huge waste of time and energy non the less.

  Keep on seeking and keep on looking is my advise to you, and don't let others make up your mind for you.
  I hope you enjoy your freedom.
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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  D wiltshire

  Fark and Funk,

  When I said I never heard of this type of reasoning, I was refurring to the circular reasoning you were discribing, not to circular reasoning in itself which must be obvious. That is why I asked if Fark made it up.

  Next as to the 2 choices I will give you a third plus a few more:

  c)God follows what is the wisest(best)(morally) coarse based on His total knowledge, that may not be fully comprehended by us very limited humans. Trust is God all other pay cash.

  d)God may have a limitless options as to what is right and proper all of them being in the catagory of Best, haven't you heard what Jesus said: "all things are possible with God."

  e)The absolute definition of evil is elusive and has infinite variable that determine whether it is evil or not.

  As to your more down to earth illustration from Numbers(better than donald duck). I don't know enough and neither do your to call this right or wrong, and I direct you to my profile signature for the logic behind my refrain from judgement.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?
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  What is EVIL? Who Defines?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what is evil?.

  who defines what is truly evil?.

  if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.

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  D wiltshire

  Funky,

  Show me where I'm wrong clearly and I will repent with an admission.
  Say I'm wrong with no proof does nothing.

  If someone lived a trillion X longer than you, and had a billion X more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?